Kevin Ferry: There are Libor subpoenas raining down on the New York branches of these foreign banks today. So I think you really have to watch it. The [British Bankers' Association] is now saying they are going to go into 'overhaul' mode. So as if we don't have enough things going on, you're going to start opening up a Pandora's Box here in the Libor sector of the market. I think what they're going to do ... is basically put the old system in a coma, and work to devise something that's a little bit better, and it's going to be tricky. Doug Dachille: So what are they going to do with the euro/dollar futures and all the outstanding notion of principal of contracts linked to Libor? I mean is everybody going to convert their Libor interest rate swaps to cost of fund funds or Fed fund basis swaps or some other index? KF: Are you asking me? I've asked that question as high as I could ask it and I get blank stares. DD: It's not clear that every bank has exactly the same Libor exposure, so it's not clear that that cartel, in setting Libor and manipulating it, actually is as powerful as the cartel that manages oil prices. Yet I don't hear any outrage of people routinely trading commodity derivatives and commodity futures, as much as I hear the outrage over euro/dollar futures and Libor-based interest rate swaps. Everybody assumes that's what goes on when you trade commodity futures, but nobody ever really thought that was going on when you were trading euro/dollar futures.