Interview With Svali: Escaped Member of "The Family"
Note on Svali: This information can be highly disturbing. And though the Svali story fits what many serious researchers have found, it is difficult to verify. Thankfully, a few media have reported on "the family," like the MSNBC articles available here and here. And for solid information on mind control programs used by this group which can be verified with government documents, click here. You are encouraged to open to your spiritual guidance as you explore here and take only what serves you.
Svali is the pseudonym used by a woman who claims she was born into a secret ruling bloodline. According to Svali, bloodline children are heavily conditioned to be obedient,
self-controlled, and totally loyal to "the family." In special activities carried out under extreme secrecy, they are subjected from a young age to sessions using drugs, hypnosis,
and shock-reward conditioning which turn them into Manchurian Candidates with alter personalities. In their normal lives, they remember nothing of what is done to them in these sessions or of their being part of "the family."
Some of these programmed children are groomed
for the military or politics, while others are prepared to take on key business positions. Throughout their lives, most family
members in these bloodlines have no conscious awareness of their dual lifestyle. To themselves, their neighbors, and others, they appear to be normal, upstanding citizens. Yet unknown to their own normal identity, their alter personalities are regularly accessed using code words and ordered to attend secret activities at designated times where they are programmed to forward the group's hidden agenda.
Svali alleges that higher level political positions in all Western countries are heavily occupied or
controlled by bloodline members of "the family," also known as the Illuminati. She also says it is quite rare that members ever leave the fold.
The pressures against this are great, including the need to abandon
spouse, children, house, money, and more. Svali was only able to escape after it dawned on her that, because in her role as a trainer she was telling lies to young Illuminati children, she must have been lied to herself from the time she was quite young.
Svali has an abundance of intriguing information on the Illuminati and ritual abuse
available here. Her rare audio interview with researcher Greg Szymanski in January 2006 is available at this link. For the written transcript of that interview, click here. The below contains 10-pages worth of excerpts collected largely by Dr. Henry Makow from an 50-page interview with her in 2000. To read the full, fascinating 50-page interview, click here. Svali stopped speaking on this topic in 2006. For information on how you can make a difference, see the "What you can do" box after this article.
Illuminati Bloodline Defector Svali Details Pervasive Conspiracy
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.
A woman who goes by Svali claims she was raised in the Illuminati cult. She describes this powerful
secret organization as comprising about 1% of the U.S. population, adding that it has infiltrated all major social institutions and is covertly preparing a
takeover. Svali, age 45, was a mind programmer for
the cult until 1995. She was a head trainer in the San Diego
branch, where 30 trainers reported to her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and agenda.
describes a Luciferian cult led by the richest and most powerful
people in the world. It practises
pedophilia, animal sacrifice and even ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with elements of the
CIA and Freemasonry. According to Svali, this cult is Aryan supremacist, but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls world traffic in
drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It may be the hidden hand behind most political assassination and terrorism, including 9/11 and the October 2002 Bali bomb blast.
March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of
Illuminati ritual abuse at Suite101.com. In December 2000, H.J.
Springer, the editor of CentrExNews.com contacted Svali and conducted
an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is summarized below.
[Note: centrexnews.com is no longer on the Internet, though the full 18-part interview with Svali is available here. Svali's writings on suite101.com can be viewed here. Her clear, courageous writings show in-depth knowledge of mind control and cult practices. She has even written a book which gives excellent, detailed information on how to deprogram former cult members.]
trust Svali's testimony because it confirms my intuition and
intensive research. Everything fits: from the hidden hand that seems to
suppress humanity to persistent reports of concentration camps in the US. I thank Svali for giving me a frightening but incredible key to understanding the world. Below are highlights of her interview
with H.J. Springer. You can learn more about Svali at
Svali Interview Excerpts
Svali: The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".
Svali: The national council [consists of] influential bankers with old money such as: The Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie family, the Rothschild family, etc. I know I shouldn't name names, but I will.
The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the NWO (New World Order) comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, old banking money. The Rothschild family in England and in France have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat.
This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and powerful. How do I know this? I was on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on regional. Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order to come".
Svali: The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage. There were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales.
I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian/Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist. They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The British line is just under them, with their royal family. They rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though parliament rules the country openly. In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all of them.
Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati
Svali: Adam Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati. They chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding.
Svali: The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria, Virginia (the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists.
This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason), and they both were also leaders in the Illuminati in that area.
Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night in the larger temples. Many are probably fine businessmen and Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't Illuminati, and the group helped create Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities.
CIA, FBI are infiltrated. So are Mormons, others
Svali: Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over German scientists after WWII. Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their own country, and they were welcomed with open arms by the U.S. group. They also funnelled all information they were learning to the Illuminati. The scientists that ran MK-Ultra and other governmental mind control programs were Illuminists brought over from Nazi Germany.
The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Most of the people I knew in the Illuminati were fairly fragmented. In fact, I cannot think of anyone who was not dissociative to some degree. You developed split personalities who weren't aware of each other [i.e. Manchurian Candidates]. Even the local and regional leaders all come in for regular "programming tune ups", as I used to call them. The largest split was between the front and back; i.e. daily life and night life. And many of my personalities had a wonderful life.
Good or Evil?
I want to address a misconception that the Illuminists know that they are evil. When I was in the group, I and those around me were ideologically committed to the agenda as being good. I thought I was helping others reach their full potential when I was a trainer. I believed that after years of sweat and hard work, my intelligence won out, and that I made an excellent leader.
They honestly think they are doing a good thing. If you told them it was wrong, or evil, they would look confused. It took a lot of therapy, deprogramming myself, and doing reality checks with non-cult people to realize that it was all a lie. I was devastated. I had dedicated my life to helping others bring in the glorious new order, only to then find out it was evil and abusive. I went through a period of intense grieving/mourning over this. Most Illuminists I knew weren't evil, they were deceived. Only the top leadership perhaps were consciously being hurtful.
Svali: The Illuminati are present in every major metropolitan centre in the United States. The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking boards), local government (guess how many get elected to local city councils), law (children are encouraged to go to law school), and media (others are encouraged to go to journalism school and members help fund local papers).
They claim to have manipulated history for the past 2,000 years. In the last 200 years, they have certainly had a profound influence at the international and governmental level, based on what I saw and heard when in the group. But I also believe that people have free choice, and that no one person or group can truly take into account the unpredictable: human nature and how they will respond.
Svali: Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.
These military bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand-to-hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways:
The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the manoeuvring of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.
Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless. Remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse.
Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked. There will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens.
The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. Military bases will be set up in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy. All this said, it could just be cult propaganda taught to me and others to frighten us. It may be that none of this will happen. I sincerely hope not.
About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of mind control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups.
Rank of the US
Svali: The U.S. is considered lower and younger than the European branches. Germany, France, and the UK form a triumvirate that rules in the European cult. The USSR is considered important and has the strongest military groups. The USSR has been promised fourth position in the New World Order, above the role the U.S. would have, because the USSR has been more helpful and cooperative over the years with furthering the agenda. The descendants of the former ruling families there are also involved in the occult leadership, along with the newer ones.
There is no Marxism in the cult. China will be ranked after the USSR, then the U.S. But a lot of the current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when the change occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities" overnight, as it were. This is the little that I do remember. Wish I had been a better student of this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay alive when I was in it.
Russia will be the military base and powerhouse of the group since their military commanders (Illuminist) are considered the best in the world and very, very disciplined. China, because of its roots in oriental occultism and its large population, will also be considered a higher power than the U.S. But again, the real power will reside in Europe, according to what I was taught when part of the group.
The United Nations
Svali: The UN was created early in this century in order to help overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one-world government. That barrier is the one of nationalism or pride in one's country. This is why it was not a popular concept when first introduced. It took years of country bashing in the media and the destruction of any sense of national pride by a (not so subtle) media campaign over the years.
The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real power in the world, and will be relatively unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The real councils will then step forward. But as a means of getting the general public to accept the idea of a "global community" and the "one world community" the UN is a stepping stone in their working towards the NWO.
Svali: The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They hate Israel and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this will be greeted with joy by many.
The Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to both sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people. They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason.
These people love the game of chess and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger again. It has too strong a military both openly and covertly to sit quietly and quiescently to the side. In the NWO, they will be stronger than us. All Illuminati military trainers have visited Russia to learn from them.
Is the Illuminati a Jewish conspiracy?
Svali: Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people (especially Himmler and Goebbels) were top Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in the extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play "concentration camp" both on my farm in Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps in Germany.
The Jews historically fought against the occult. See Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who worshipped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods.
[From an email to Henry Makow] Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a well-known Jewish family. I have also known people whose parents were Jewish diamond merchants in the group, and at every level. But to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person at night would be forced to renounce their faith and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati. In return for this betrayal, they believe that power (financial) and rewards come; and in one sense they do, but at too high a price.
The nazi/concentration camp mentality is very strong. I was told that Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, and others were high-ranking German members of the group (Himmler was higher than the other two). [Auschwitz medical experimenter] Mengele was their paid puppet as well. He later worked as a high trainer of the American branch between his periods of hiding in South America. They honestly believed that they were acting as agents of their 'gods' to exterminate the Jewish race. I am so, so sorry that this group has enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so glad that I left it).
I have always wondered, though, why some of the highest ranking financial families in the group (baron Rothschild of France is one of the 13 European lords or "kings" that run the group in Europe and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet the group espouses hatred of their race.
Are They Racist?
Svali: Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich programming inside. They are racist and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe strongly in the rule of the "pure" and "intelligent" by their definitions. In their ceremonies, there will occasionally be minorities killed in ceremonies. Not all Illuminist groups are as fanatically anti-racial as the German branch is, although many are.
They are trying to breed a "genetically superior" race to rule with their children and descendants. They are also followers of Plato's Republic, and believe that they will be the ones to usher in this "Utopian" rule with the NWO. In their Utopia, the intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like masses will follow their leaders. That is their view of the world; that the occult leaders are "enlightened' and intelligent, while the average person is a "sheep" to be led by the nose.
The Cold War
Svali: Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded by the Illuminati and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism. The Illuminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces, in the pull between opposites. They see history as a complex chess game. They will fund one side, then another, while ultimately out of the chaos and division ..., they are laughing because they are ultimately beyond political parties. A top western financier will secretly meet with an eastern or Russian "adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh at how the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was taught and also observed.
They are truly an international group, and the group's agenda supersedes any nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and forth of members in these groups. A Russian trainer might come to the U.S. for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa.
Svali: Here is how it is done (and how it was done to me):
 When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely.
 Take the child out and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse.
 Put the child into the cage and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more.
 Take the child out and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture. The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult praises them for "doing such a good job".
This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time as the child gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either a set up or VR (virtual reality), or in reality. They will be taught by age nine to put together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals. They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply.
The older the child or teen, the more advanced the training. By age 15, most children will also be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of spectators (high people come to watch the "games" much as the ancient gladiators performed). These matches are rarely done to the death, usually until one child goes down. They use every type of weapon imaginable, and learn to fight for their lives.
If a child loses a fight, they are heavily punished by their trainer, who loses "face". If they win, they are again praised for being "strong" and adept with weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well trained combat/killing machines with command codes to kill, and they have been tested over and over to prove that they will obey on command. This is how children in the German Illuminati are brought up, I went through it myself.
Trust in Family
Svali: They tell their children as they are torturing them, "I am doing this because I love you." To them, the greatest love is to make a child strong and fit to lead or to move higher in the group by whatever means it takes.
If a leader sees a child and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others.
I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those doing this to me thought they were teaching me something of value that would help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of love, but often they were overruled by other family members, who viewed these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach their child.
Svali: Most of them are wounded, abused victims who don't realize that it is possible to leave the group. There is a lot of discontent in the ranks, and there would be a mass exodus if the members believed it were really possible to get out (and live). Many of the trainers I knew were not happy with what they did. They would whisper quietly, or give a look to show that they disagreed with what they had to do. They would resignedly do their jobs in the hope of advancement.
Know what one of the biggest carrots offered to those who advance up in the group is? That you don't have to hurt people anymore, and that you can't be abused. Only those higher than you in the group can abuse you, so everyone wants to move up, where the pool of candidates becomes smaller. Of course, people can choose to abuse anyone beneath them, and that motivates.
The Illuminati are a very political and back stabbing group, a "dog eat dog" mentality. Everyone wants to move up. These are not nice people and they use and manipulate others viciously. They cut their eyeteeth on status, power, and money.
They never openly disclose their agenda or their cult activities, as often they are amnesic to them. By day, these are well-respected, "Christian" appearing business leaders in the community. The image in the community is all important to an Illuminist. They will do anything to maintain a normal, respected facade, and despise exposure.
None of the Illuminists that I have known had unkind or evil appearing persona in their daytime lives, although some were dysfunctional, such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that drives the Illuminists is their greatest cover. Many, if not most, of these people are completely unaware of the great evil that they are involved in during the night.
I spent a year intensely deprogramming myself. I was a head programmer, or trainer, so I used my knowledge to undo what was done to me. I also became enraged as I realized that the abuse I had endured (and done to others) was not normal, and was used to manipulate me. My greatest regret is that I was used by this group, after a lifetime of teaching, to be a perpetrator of the worst kind. I used to torture and abuse others, believing that I was "helping" them. Now, I realize that what I did was wrong. I have asked God's forgiveness. And I am committed to exposing this group through my writing.
I want to add that the Illuminati are only one of several occult groups that operate in the North American continent. There are many others. They may do more recruitment and things that I haven't mentioned. The Illuminists tend to have a more scientific and military approach to their programming. Some groups, such as the Templar Knights, do not believe in demonic worship, although they are Luciferian and practice mysteries. Each group has its own agenda. I can only speak for the Illuminati in the areas of the U.S. and Europe that I lived in.
Svali: Remember those studies that stated that "TV violence doesn't affect children's behaviour" years ago? Guess who funded them? They are a bunch of bullcrud. What a person watches DOES influence them, and this is well known by the behaviourists in the group. In fact, they know that TV is a tool that they purposely use to influence "the masses". It cannot create a total personality change in the average citizen, but it can desensitize us increasingly to violence, pornography and the occult, and influence the perceptions of young children.
Svali: I believe that Brittany Spears, Eminem, and others are being used by them to sing lyrics they like. Ever notice that Eminem wears a Neo-Nazi look and sings hate lyrics? This is not by chance. In fact, many of the top pop singers come from an internship with the "Mickey Mouse club" (yep, good old Walt and the Illuminist's Empire), and I believe they are offered stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control.
1. Their arrogance is their weakness. These people think they are untouchable, and this could make them careless.
2. If by a miracle enough people took this seriously and started organizing in some way to stop the Illuminati take over, with prayer and God's guidance, perhaps they could be stopped. I hope so with all of my heart.
3. Stopping pornography and child prostitution and drug smuggling and gun running would take out a huge chunk of their profits. Maybe they would slow down.
Public's Denial Mechanism
Svali: The evidence is there, but in my opinion, the average person does not want to know, and even when confronted with it, will look the other way. The Franklin case is a point. How much evidence has come out? Or the MK-ULTRA documents that have been declassified, shown as real, and people ignore it.
Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe that the media that downplays ritual abuse is feeding into a deep need in the average person to not know the reality. In fact, how can a person face the fact of great evil in mankind, unless they have either a strong faith in God, or are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as human beings want to believe the best of our race, not the worst, IMHO.
The Illuminists don't care who prints this stuff or if they are "exposed", because they are counting on the majority not believing it, having done a pretty good job with a media blitz campaign. Seen any articles in Newsweek or Time that addresses this other than as a laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns Time-Warner?
I have heard them laughing about this very thing in leadership meetings five years ago, and I doubt their attitude has changed much since then. If people did believe this, if action could be taken, then I would be very surprised and quite happy.
Important Note: Numerous serious researchers into these matters are convinced that there are many competing factions within "the Family." It is suspected that Svali was involved in one of the most aggressive and sadistic factions. If this is true, then the above descriptions relate some of the worst behavior of this group. There are almost certainly other factions which are much less focused on torture and dominance. And remember that all of them believe they are doing the right thing. For a powerful series of incisive essays which puts the pieces of the puzzle together, click here.
For the full, 50-page transcript of this fascinating interview, click here
For Svali's excellent book on deprogramming cult members, click here
For the powerful essay of another bloodline member, click here
For a brave woman's experience of healing from the above, click here
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